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Re: Shamian KhatieRe: To Persi and Nissan
Posted By: Malik Don (68-116-91-185.dhcp.trlk.ca.charter.com)
In Response To: Shamian KhatieRe: To Persi and Nissan (Akhna)
Date: Tuesday, 21 February 2006, at 1:50 a.m.
“It all goes back to what Assyria has been portrayed as in the Old and New Testamonts, and moreover, what it says about Romans and Isralites.”
--**I agree with you. These people have made us out to look like we were barbarians when it was they that massacred millions of people.
“If you look at the old Testamont and the new one, Assyrians have been glorified throughout the book yet Isralites have been condemned by their own book which they can not deny, for if they do that, that will end their faith, as well as their rights on their own land. so the Jelouscy started from Istralites to punish the Assyrians for they were the ones whom God chose as his right hand to punish the nations. As Christ came, the name of Isralite was taken away from them and was given to the believers of Christ. now that angers the fanatcis in the jewish religion, and because they (the Assyrians) were the first nation to accept Christ as the leader of their faith, the jewish targetted the Assyrians to destroy all their identity, as Christ said, "and when they saw the son, they said to themselves, let's kill him to claim the heritage to ourselves". Jewish people helped raise Islam so that it targets christians, at that time they did not care much about the growing christianity in eruope, and did not care about the forth beast (as seen by Daniel, which refers to the Roman Church) that will be forthcoming and will be talking the words of Christ yet thinking that he is Christ (God).
After Christianity started growing in Europe, afther Constantine the Great, the christian there had a relief from the massacres, but we must also remmember, that as Christianity was growin in europe, it could not get rid of all the herecies at once, for it grew with them, so some elements of heretical views also grew with the Christian faith, yet on the other hand, with Assyrians was differen, for, when they accepted Christ as their Lord and God, they changed at in one decided voice and feeling, so the old traditions of herecy, died there and then, and so, their faith, was the purest one for they never went back to the old customs, yet accepted Christ as was tought to them by the 2 deciples, Mar Toma and Mar Patrous, and by the 2 students of the 72 who were Mar Mari and Mar Addai. as a matter of fact, this was also prophesied by Daniel, when he saw the first beast rising on his hind legs and the HEART OF MAN was given to him, meaning that they would accept Christianity, yet the forth empire (which was not known at that time) had the beast coming from it.”--**I am almost done studying Political Science. I can tell you that Rome had a very simple system/policy in dealing with foreign peoples. This policy was eventually termed Pax Romana. Part of it included the following element: Every time it conquered a group of people, it would “win” those people into integrating into its “Roman” society by accepting that group of people’s “god(s).” Were these ignorant people (the supporters of ##### Soro) to know what devil they were dealing with, they would know that Rome was fighting a losing battle against the insurgence of “Christians.” If it continued to kill them, it risked alienating an increasing population of people in its borders as well as those of other religions who thought it was okay for others to freely worship whatever god they wished to worship. Furthermore, it would seem hypocritical that Rome would accept every other god, but would not accept the Christian god. So, during the time of Constantine, things got a little messy. He was approached with some “Christian” advisors and it became clear that Rome would actually have a better chance at surviving if it imposed one single god upon the populace and began a new political campaign. However, the people – being stuck in their ways and not willing to give up the gods they worshipped for generations – continued to worship their own gods or retained elements of their previous religions when they nominally converted to Christianity. Constantine found it the best political decision to convert to Christianity and so he did…it wasn’t because he was righteous or because he was a man of God or that God spoke to him – he did it because the devil was going to erect a world religion that would enslave and kill people more than anyone or anything had before, and there was nothing Constantine could do to stand in the way. There was nothing he could do to stand in the way of those so-called “Christians” who had something else other than Christ in mind…not that he wanted to stand in their way – he liked the idea. And so was born this filth of a religious sect. Its whole purpose has been to monopolize Christianity and limit it strictly to itself. That’s why they push so hard this idea of “papal supremacy” – as the pope is the only one who will willingly hand over power to the anti-Christ (see Revelations 16-18). This is why it is absolutely imperative that we do not submit to these devils. Actually, as you stated in your last paragraph, we will NOT submit ourselves to them as it has already been written.
However, I must address one other point in this first major section of your post. You said the Assyrians “changed” and that “the old traditions of heresy died there and then, and so their faith was the purest one for they never went back to the old customs, yet accepted Christ.” Please, PLEASE do not word it that way. We were not khampe before Christ nor after him – certain of us became khampe when we betrayed the Church of the East. As a matter of fact, the Church of the East is the only Church that continues to celebrate some of the ancient Assyrian rituals and traditions. If you say that the pre-Christian Assyrian customs were wrong, you automatically state that the Church of the East customs are wrong. For example, there is Nusardil, which was celebrated before Christ, and is still celebrated today by the Church. The Church of the East was only named as such roughly A.D. 410. Before that, followers were simply called “Wayists” or “Believers” of Jesus. The belief was that he was a continuation of their faith. There was never a change of faith. Assyrians only changed faith when they abandoned this Church, the Church of the East. That is why the early Assyrian Muslims and Assyrian Christians lived in peace initially (until the West stirred things up via their Crusades). Many Assyrian Muslims continued to believe in Jesus and merely thought Islam was a continuation of the faith, just as Assyrian Christians saw Jesus to be a continuation of the faith. For those that do not believe this, read any of the works by W. Montgomery Watt where he cites how Islam (which wasn’t even called that until hundreds of years later) was initially believed to be a sect of Christianity. Let me reiterate: true Assyrians NEVER changed faith and their pre-Christian era customs were not wrong. Even the Church of the East celebrates them.
“if you read history of christianity, from west came all the herecies but our nation was kept safe from these herecies for it had no or hardly any contact with the west after Islam, and before Islam, it had it's position as the first church after the Jureslom one which was the cradle of faith for Christians.”
--**I am happy that you realize Islam was actually something that protected us from the sword of those western killers, the roman/western christians – who if they had it their way, would have cut all our heads off for being members of the Assyrian Church of the East (as they actually did do) or had us in confession booths getting molested.
“now about the Catholicism:
If you read the revelation, it states there will are 2 women (meaning churchs) one that got hidden by angles in the desert (meaning no water of life and food, which means Assyrian church which was sorounded by moslims) and the other was the WHORE BABYLON (the code name at the time used for the Romans) and that second church, as the revelation says, was on the side of the beast, and had all the glory that an institution in this world would have. Also Christ said "will Son of Man find faith upon his return"? if we explore this question, then we can see that Christ indirectly is talking about the Assyrian Church, for if he meant Christianity at large, then his statement would have been wrong for, the Catholicism has over a billion population so has ortodox faith. so why Christ would ask such a question if he did not mean it about the true and original church, and in another statement he says "the Men of Ninver (or the Mesoptomaians) will rise and jugde this GENERATION.....) and if we look at the sentence, he says, this generation, so whenever you read the bible, this sentance goes for the generation at that time. as Christ said about Mariam Magdaline, when she poured a perfume on his foot, he said "whenever this Mashkhadta is preached, this woman's name and what she did, will also be preached" why he said that, was to mean that whenever the Bible is read, it's message, (including the one about the men of Ninveh) will also be read, heard and accepted according to the time and location. so Men of Ninveh are still judging this generation of christians who is still revealing all their greed, power, attoricities and mislead faith.
Catholicism, has one enemy and that is Assyrians for they are the true voice of Christ. Peter, went to assyrian and came out of our nation, Happy as a Pateriach would be, but when he went to Rome, he was Killed as well as Paul and this reminds of my Lord and God that said about Pharesies and priests of the jews "you blind hypocrite, fix up the graves of the prophets whom were killed by the ones before you, and you say, if we were at the time of our forfathers, we would not have killed them, by this you admit that you are sons of those murderers" so that catholicism that admits about the murder of those two pillars of the church, then they automatically admit that they are sons of those murderers.
so what do you expect from a murderer? Kindness towards our nation which is the original ticket to the salvation?
regards,”---**Yes, and let me add to that. The Chosen Church is at Babylon (Seleucia Ctisphon, Assyria). And we know, as you said, that when it says the “whore Babylon” it is not referring to us or our actual city of Babylon (which was actually nearly desolate at that point), but to a figurative city – actually a city-state as we have the use of the word mindeeta (which comes from “min dyanta,” “from judging/judgment” – or the government). The reason they use the word Babylon is because Babylon once took the Jews and it is implied that the World Government will take the people of the world captive. It is clearly not addressing our city Babylon as the whore as Shimon Keipa (Simon Peter) already made it clear that it is the chosen church. Furthermore, it is clear that at that point, Babylon was practically desolate (though there was Seleucia Ctisphon and Baghdad. It was said that Babylon (the actual city would be forever desolate). In order for Babylon to be the world government, that means the very same prophesy about it being desolate would have to be false, which has not happened yet. Additionally, there is this verse (Revelations 17:18):
18. "And the woman that you saw, is that great city (World Empire) which rules (has kingship upon) the kings of the world. (Vic Alexander’s Disciple’s New Testament, Galilean Edition)
18. W’Attha hay da’khzeyt etheyh mdeeta hay rabtha: hay d’eeth lah malkutha al malke d’ar`a (My transliteration from Assyrian Aramaic Pshitta)
Here we see the use of the phrase “great city” which figuratively means “world empire” and is confirmed to mean that as the only way for it to be a world empire is for it to have kingship upon all kings of the world, which this verse says it does. Thus, we see logically that it is not our Babylon and so it is clearly the one entity which has ridiculous amounts of money, the entity that has power and pull upon nations, the entity that is a whore and has prostituted Jesus’ intended way for us. And with so many verses about a false prophet (i.e. the religious figure) within this book, we can only wait for a political figure to come along and accompany that former Jew, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.
It makes perfect sense. Our Church of the East is the one that is miskinta, humble, and true. And yet at the same time we have people trying to change it, corrupt it, make it something that it is not (e.g. Vatican). We have people trying to drag us down the isle of vanity - trying to change us into thinking about material wealth while our souls are stripped away from us by Satan. We have people trying to hate on this Church (of the East) by saying it is weak and too simple to exist in today’s “modern” world. Let me ask you people something. Was Jesus a bunch of catechisms, confession booths with child-molesting priests, statues, hail Mary’s, money, gold-paved walls and ceilings, and 50 million laws that confuse and enslave people to other [earthly] people rather than give them an opening to talk to God??? Or was Jesus the simple idea that we love God and love our neighbors as we would love ourselves? There is a reason we called our bible the “Pshitta.” It means simple and straight-forward, no strings attached, no nonsense, no selling of our ethnic identity, no selling of our reason, and no selling of our souls. Our Church is the humble one that has struggled to express this simple truth. The other [roman] “church” is the one that has sold Christianity and turned it into the most effective killing machine this world has ever seen. It is the one that has subdued all the nations and millions upon millions of people. It is the one that has bought and sold people like they are a commodity. It is the one that has sanctioned the murder of 6 million Jews. It is the one that murdered and murdered and murdered millions of people simply because they did not agree with it. It is the one that went to the East (Assyria) and began stirring up trouble. It is the one that instigating hatred between Church of the East Assyrians and Assyrian Muslims and between Assyrian Christians and Assyrian Christians. It is the one that murdered and murdered and murdered people so that it could take over Christianity in Hindustan and elsewhere because it COULDN’T STAND to see the Church of the East succeed in helping people WITHOUT force. It is the one that wanted to erase the HOLY ASSYRIAN name because it couldn’t stand to know that God’s real name is ASHUR and not caesar. It is the one than wanted to KILL Assyrians because it knew that when an Assyrian baby was born, God was creating himself – creating MAN IN HIS IMAGE and putting a part of himself and his breath into our lungs. It is the one that couldn’t stand to see this because IT IS SATAN MANIFEST. And Satan cannot stand God. Satan has too much pride to accept that God is more powerful. And this Church (of the East) will be here forever because Ashur is alive and dwells in us.
KHAYA ASHUR / ZEND’E BAAD ASHUR / YAHYA ASHUR
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